Jul 25, 2022
Kimberly Hobbs
Welcome to Empowering Lives with Purpose. And I'm your host,
Kimberly Hobbs. I'm the founder of Women World Leaders. Ladies, we
are so glad that you joined us today. And I would love to welcome
our guest Lisa Hathaway. Welcome, Lisa,
Lisa Hathaway
Thank you so much for having me, Kimberly.
Kimberly Hobbs
It's our pleasure. And we are excited to introduce her to you is
who she is. And like you get to know Lisa a little bit. And God
says in His word that they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb.
And by the word of their testimony, Revelation 12:11. And ladies,
today, Lisa is going to share a little bit about her story, and the
miracles that God did in her life to get her through. And we hope
that through listening to these stories, ladies that you will be
inspired, and encouraged to walk out your beautiful purpose that
something you might hear today will spark something in your life
that you will connect dots and see what God may be speaking to your
heart today. So that is our prayer as well as we go into these
podcasts that God would speak to you through these words that we
share today and through Of course, His scriptures, because there's
power in the Word and we know that the word is life changing. So I
want to introduce Lisa with a little bit about who she is. Lisa is
a lover of Jesus, and has passion for the least of these. Her
heartbeat is to see those who need a second chance and help them
experience the tangible love of Jesus. Lisa has learned to worship
through suffering as a special needs mom. She's a recent breast
cancer survivor and also a survivor of a tragic car accident within
a two year span. Suffering has been intertwined in her story, and
she wants others to experience the sweetness of God through some of
the most difficult things in life. She resides in Lexington, North
Carolina with her amazing husband and three precious children.
She's a youth leader. And Lisa has an MBA and is currently
attending Liberty University Graduate School where she's pursuing
her master's degree in clinical and mental health counseling. So
today we titled this podcast wallow, or worship, wallow or worship
we all have choices to make. How do you respond when difficult
events happen in your life? Think about that. You have a choice and
how you respond? Have you questioned God during your suffering?
Today, Lisa, you chose to come on and be real with us and be
authentic and share about some of the suffering that you endured.
You had some choices to make, which we're going to talk about those
choices in a little bit. But Lisa, you stated you had a choice that
you could choose to wall up, wallow, or worship. So Lisa, can you
open up today by sharing some of the trauma and grief of your story
and a place that you were at prior to making a choice?
Lisa Hathaway
Yes, thank you so much, Kimberly, even hearing you talk through
that. It's like, wow, you know, we all have, we all have stories,
we all have testimonies, and we have to choose what to do with
those stories, and choose what to do with suffering. And mine
started back in the year of 2020. Obviously, the COVID year,
everybody was you know, identifies that as COVID. And, you know,
God gives me a word every year and my word for 2020 was rest. And I
was like, you know, I'm a very active person. And so it was just
like, okay, you know, we're gonna rest and then the end of
February, I found out my mom had a genetic mutation of lung cancer.
And a week later, I found out my dad had bladder cancer. And after
those two, they're divorced, that you know, so they weren't live,
you're not living together, obviously. But after those two
diagnosis, I hit a low point just from that. And I was like,
alright, God, you told me um, I heard this she was rest. So I'm
like, a little stressful. And so I hit a really low point, just
processing all that in my brain and then I was was a high school
teacher teaching special education And our assistant principal and
I, during COVID, we went virtual. So we had a little extra time.
And so we decided we wanted to go hiking and mill the day at a
local park. And it was the best day was just the best day. And she
opened up to me and shared and on our way back was a ride around
noon. I saw a car coming from a distance, and I was like, Wait,
they're swerving all over the road. They're swerving all over the
road. And the next thing I know, we were hit head on, and he was a
drunk driver. And, um, she died right beside me. And, you know, I
knew, in that moment that something wasn't right. Like, I could
just steal it. In my spirit, I don't remember a lot about some
details. But God has brought things back to memory, I think, for
healing. And I saw her posture of saw the blood splattered all over
me, I felt it. Um, I don't know, like how I got out of a car, I
don't know any of that, like, I really shouldn't survive, he hit us
about 65 miles an hour. Um, and so that, that day, I went to
hospital. And from that point on, I didn't dry for two months, I
suffered from, you know, PTSD, pretty severe in that timeframe. And
I really started experiencing, I've been a Christian since I was
eight years old, but I really start experiencing a whole new level
of who God is. And and I say it was, but you know, he always has
been. But when you are going through something, you start you are
open to see we have a choice. Like we can get bitter and angry. And
yes, I asked why, why, why, why, why, why, and then I stopped
because I wasn't getting the answer that I wanted. And, um, you
know, looking back on that, I'm now starting to understand the why.
So I went to counseling immediately after the car accident because
my brain couldn't process the trauma and grief. And then, you know,
went through that I went back to teach in August, I had a pass for
office every day, how to deal with all of that. And then we're
coming up on 2021. And April 28 was the actual day it happened in
2020. And April 29 is my birthday. So I birthdays a little
obviously bittersweet because I had to wake up the next day,
knowing that she was not here. And you feel the feelings of guilt
and all those things I've had to work through.
And so April 28 of this of 2021, I, my mom, I took the day off work and we went and bought flowers. And I just love fresh flowers. And we went and so I could do it from my deck and I had my OB visit. So I did that and got my mammogram and all that good stuff. And we had lunch and then I get a call in May of 2021 May 24 And my doctor's like, um, I don't know what happened, but something just kind of got misplaced. And we found something on your mammogram that you're very sisty. So we probably just assume that it's that I'm like, okay, that's fine, whatever, I'm good. I don't take things real serious sometimes. And so we fast forward, and I went and got ultrasound. And after the sixth time of going in and out of the radiology room. I was like, huh, and God just started to prepare me. And I was diagnosed with invasive ductal carcinoma on June 11 of 2021. So, I was like, wow, God, like, what now? My word for 2021 was courage. And so I had risk for 2020 I had courage for 2021 Courage to to fight courage to walk through things i like how appropriate Lord, I'm and he has such a sense of humor. So I fast forward I had a double mastectomy on August 12 of 2021. And you know, going through everything happened so fast, like appointments and what treatment and all this stuff and you know, I was 44 when I was diagnosed. I'm 45 obviously now but um and so I was like oh my gosh, you got three kids or what? You know your mind can go and then because I I saw so much of God's faithfulness after the accident. I was like, Okay, God, like, I can't worry about this, like, you're gonna work this out because I saw his, his kindness and gentleness and the, how he never left me. And so did I think, does your mind go places? Absolutely. We're human. You know, my Armand goes like, oh, gosh, I'm just gonna die tomorrow. You know, I mean, I'm just, you know, that's the truth. And so I'm going through all of this, and, you know, we're going through the treatment and what to do, and I was like, double mastectomy, you know? Well, then yeah, I'm a very was a very large chested woman. And that to vary. I mean, we're all women here, suddenly, it's a very, it's a very physical part, it's a very sexual part, you know, all these things go through your mind, you're like, oh, my gosh, my whole entire body is gonna change. So when I had my double mastectomy, they propose things for you to have reconstruction. And so I decided to get implants. And in that process, they put tissue expanders in, and of course, my body rejects the tissue expanders. Um, and I had originally told my husband now I'm going to be before the mastectomy. So I'm going to be content with where I'm at. God spoke to me. And I'm going to be content with no reconstruction. Well, you know, then the flesh takes over, then people start talking to you, and you hear all these things. And so I was like, Oh, well, I've got to have implants and perky boobs, right. So I was like, Okay, I'm gonna do the tissue expanders, my body completely rejected him, I got a massive infection, heavy in the hospital for five days on T round to IV antibiotics, just because I wouldn't become septic. So I had three surgeries within six weeks. And then, um, you know, the healing process and the emotional process and all of that stuff. But I was able to go back to work October 25. So mad woman said to me was August 12, men back to work. And that's when it kind of started hitting me like, this has been real, you know, and then I'm in the middle, they forced me into menopause. So we all know about that. So hot flashes, all that so I wallowed. I mean, I'm gonna be honest, I went through very many, you know, many stages of wobbling, and many, like, my husband would come and say, Get off the couch. Come on, let's go, go on wall, get up, get up, you know, like you, you're not gonna stay in this place. And I realized through both of those that, you know, everything's a choice and that I had to I had to choose not to wallow. So...
Kimberly Hobbs
In the world, the world would say you have every reason to wallow.
I mean, look at what happened in your life. Right? You had, oh, you
know, poorly saw. And wow, you went through a lot hunting, you went
through a lot. So but there's more to this story. Because Lisa, you
did see Beauty from Ashes, right? But how so? The Bible says, our
present troubles are small, and they're not going to last very
long, yet they produce for us, glory that vastly outweighs them,
and will last forever. That's kind of like a capsule of your life.
All of this time that you could have been wallowing and you had
that choice, and you did wallow for a while. First Corinthians 417
Is that verse that God was producing a glory that is going to far
outweigh what you went through. So you emphasize the choice because
of the past two years of your life. You saw God's hand moving? How
did you choose to follow God after the accident? What specifics?
Can you share with the audience that allowed you to choose not to
while into follow? God?
Lisa Hathaway
I mean, yeah, that's a very it's a very good question. I, I think
after the accident, my when you have nothing left, and when you hit
that rock bottom, I mean, of course, I had my family and, you know,
but there was so many times they had no idea what to do. They had
no idea what to say. Because you don't know what to say. Sometimes
when someone is at that place where you have nothing left like I
couldn't even walk to get out to walk towards a vehicle. Like it
was so traumatic. And I started I set on my deck, and it's so crazy
how God works and moves because right before the accident literally
two days before the accident, we had just like refinish our deck.
And I got all these fresh flowers and all this stuff. God knew he
sees the end from the beginning, he knew that was going to be my
safe haven of healing. And I said on that deck, and I would I would
wash it, because you can't wallow and worship at the same time.
Right? So I had to sit there and go, I know my God is faithful. I
don't understand this. But he is so faithful. I have to choose to
see his faithfulness in the situation. So I would find worship
songs. And I doubt I had I created my own playlist called Soul
lifter. And because it all lived my soul, and it spoke to the
deepest parts of my heart. And it was like, it was like, God's just
like, I'm here. I haven't left you. And so I started just to build
on that. And it's like the joy and sorrow dance together. I was it
was this the joy of the Lord that's unexplainable to the human eye.
Because I had such joy. My husband told me, we've been married 20
years and he goes in those two moments. I've never seen you at so
much peace. And I thought, what, why, what after all this happened?
Because I pressed in so hard to Jesus, like I've never done before.
Amen. When you do that, it it's a sweetness that you can't even
can't even describe. So my level with the Lord, my intimacy with
the Lord got so deep that I could not wallow. Like I could not
wallow, because I was like, God's like I'm taking you. I'm allowing
that truth. Yes, I'm allowing you. And it reminds me of like one of
my scriptures that have spoke so much to me Habakkuk 317 through
18, even though the fig trees have no blossoms, and there are no
grapes on the vines, even though the all of crop fails, and the
fields like empty and barren, even though the flop sat in the
fields and the cattle barns are empty, Yet I will rejoice in the
Lord, I will be joyful in the God of my salvation, Yet I will
rejoice. So, regardless of anything that happens when all the
fields are gone, when everything is is just falling apart in your
life. Yet I will rejoice.
Kimberly Hobbs
Amen. Amen. I love that. I love that. And we pray that that
Scripture speaks to you ladies as well, if you're in the midst of
something right now, and when you're on that slippery slope, and
you might fall off of it, oh, God instructs us in His Word, give
your burdens to the Lord and he's going to take care of you ladies.
He's he's going to and that's what Lisa chose to do. She gave
everything over to the Lord and chose not to wallow, but to worship
God. And Psalm 5522 says he will not permit the godly to slip and
fall. So when you're on that slope, ladies, and you're you're just
trying to balance everything because the pain is so intense, or the
the trial that you're going through is so burdensome. God says
right here in Psalm 5522, to give your burdens to him. So Lisa, you
found your value in God and praise God, you did. You lived to
through two things where realistically the arrows were pointing
that your life should be over. But God, by God, he chose and you
saw that. So you started worshiping Him and you started thanking
him for the good and what you saw you lived. So when you found your
value in God by choosing him, Lisa, you didn't allow yourself to
wallow anymore you chose and you chose well, God opened the door to
give you a passion to work for him, which is this is the exciting
part of the story, ladies is because now Lisa turned her life
around through this and she chose to work for Jesus and serve Him
with all of her heart. She helps the homeless she is working with
the youth at church and she showed a way to articulate to others
about their suffering in the valley. So God allowed her to turn all
this for good. And Lisa, can you explain in your own way about how
God doesn't leave us ever? There's ladies listening right now that
feels so alone. In their hurting world, please share with them how
he never leaves us.
Lisa Hathaway
Yes, I, you know, I think that you hit on a good point. I mean, we
all, no matter how close you are to the Lord, or what our
backgrounds are, there's times where we feel lonely as women. I
mean, that's just, that's just human nature and the flesh part. And
we're like, I'm lonely. I feel like I'm walking through whatever
journey by myself. And, you know, God has spoke to me in a lot of
ways. And I've journal a lot. And it was a visual that he gave me
and I hold so tight to this. And I'm so thankful that he gave it to
me that we're in a valley. And, you know, I've got kids and work in
school. So he is I'm sitting on the bottom of the valley floor.
It's like lay mud it but it is solid, that foundation, the bottom
of the valley is solid. And I'm sitting, as I say, crisscross
applesauce or Indian style. And Jesus is right beside me.
crisscross applesauce. I'm like, Hey, Jesus, how you doing? He's
like, I'm doing I'm doing good. I'm right here with you. Okay,
well, you can go if you want to, because I'm gonna be here a while.
It's been pretty dark the last couple of years. He's like, no, no,
I'm not leaving you. But he's like, No, I'm not leaving you. I will
sit with you, as long as I need to here to show you that I have
never left you and I'm never going to forsake you. And he just sat
there. And we're just carrying on conversation. And then all of a
sudden, he looks over at me. And he goes, It's time. Let's go is
Tom, you've been here long enough. You said grabbed my hand. I was
like, Oh, we're gonna climb up that we're gonna climb to the top of
that mountain, or the top of this humongous Valley? You said, yeah.
So I grabbed his hand, he keeps looking at me and goes, I've got
you, my daughter. I've got you, my daughter. I haven't left you. I
haven't left you. I'm like, Jesus, this is tough. Come on. Because
what I have for you, on the top of this is far greater than this
valley floor. And so it is something that in our suffering, there
is beauty. But you have to open your eyes to see it. We get so
laser focused on what's wrong in our lives. And we got to open our
eyes to see that God is in the smallest of things. You know,
feathers are a big thing for me. I saw 91 for and it's a huge thing
for me. And I would walk downtown where I live and feathers were
just falling. And I'm like, Where are these coming from? And God's
like, I see you. I've got you. And this is what when I wasn't
driving and I was walking because I needed I had my worship music
on. I'm sobbing my eyes out and working through the grief and
trauma and like, why is this happening? And God just like his
promises are so true. And he is so faithful, and the kindness and
the gentleness. So whatever story you have whatever you're walking
through, even when I was walking through the breast cancer, God has
taken the scales off my eyes to even see myself differently.
Because this is a battle and God chose to save me from this says
stories are different. But I cannot like doorman not to worship
Him. Because He faced he saved me twice. So God's like I have
something so much greater for you. And so I have to speak I have to
use it for His glory. And I'm just I'm so excited to challenge
because suffering is beautiful. I know it sounds really weird. But
suffering can be so beautiful because I wouldn't be where I'm at
today. If I didn't have suffering. I wouldn't have the intimacy if
I didn't have suffering. So yes, you can choose not to wallow, but
you get up each day and go I'm gonna make a choice to worship the
God in Jesus who died for me.
Kimberly Hobbs
I love that. I love that and you did you chose to worship and you
looked for God to show you to show you that way and he did and
ladies, when you are wishing that someone would just be there to
show you the way you know we all look for our help in different
ways. You know, some look to Doctor some look to different people.
Ladies look up and worship the Lord just as Lisa was sharing from
her heart her life changed when she chose worship. So when you're
looking for someone to show you the way A God's word is there to do
so he will show you the way through His Word. The Lord says, I will
give you along the best pathway for your life I will guide you
along the best pathway for your life. I will advise and walk watch
over you. He says that to us, ladies. So if you open the Word and
you worship Him through the word, he's going to advise you through
the word he's going to watch over you and tell you how to get out
of the wallowing in the situation that you're in at Psalms 32
Eight, God is our God forever. And just like Lisa was sharing about
crisscross applesauce, God was there and said, No, I'm never
leaving you. I'm never leaving you as she sat there on the ground.
He is our God forever, ladies, forever and ever. He will guide us
until we die. That's Psalm 4814. All the scriptures are right there
in his word for us to grab hold up. So are you going to allow him?
Are you going to allow him access into your heart and not block him
by wallowing in your pity? Will you choose him Ladies, don't choose
pity choose to worship him as we were just praying for all of you
ladies listening in today, Lisa and I both had that on our prayer
heart that you are going to choose well. And when you want to
recognize God's presence, ladies, worship Him, worship him. Come
let us worship him out, bow down. Let us kneel before the Lord our
God our maker, because He is our God. And we are the people he
watches over. We are the flock under his care that Psalm 9095, six
and seven. I don't know about you, but I can't even contain the
joy. And if you hear in Lisa's voice, she can contain the Joy
because she chose correctly ladies. So come close to God and He is
going to come close to you. That's James for eight. So I just asked
Lisa. Lisa, do you have a word that you just want to share? In the
last 30 seconds? With the ladies? What can you just give them to
take away today as your final word to them?
Lisa Hathaway
I think I would just have to say, you know, God is a God of
redemption. He's a God of kindness, a God of love. And I just
challenge you to just look to Him. And you will absolutely see the
beauty coming from the ashes of whatever your story is. Because he
is so good.
Kimberly Hobbs
That is so wonderful. He is so good lady so good. One more verse to
leave you with. I love just pouring scripture out. But God says
Call me when you're in trouble. And I will rescue you. And you will
give me glory that Psalm 55 Don't we all want to glorify God. And
look at Lisa right now all of what she experienced in her life. And
this verse is so true in her life too, because now she's given all
the glory to God. She's here sharing her story of how God brought
her through because she didn't choose to wallow, she chose to
worship Him. And we just pray that you'll choose worship ladies
worship God, and you will give Him the glory. He says that in his
word. So as we close out, ladies, we are a ministry of women here.
You may have a story that you want to share that God is just
prompting you to share with the world. We have an opportunity here
in so many ways for you to be used by the Lord. Or maybe you just
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leaders.com. And, and Lisa, how can the ladies reach out to you if
they would like to contact you?
Lisa Hathaway
You could just email me at LTHathaway77@gmail.com. And I'll be
happy to talk with anybody who emails me.
Kimberly Hobbs
That's awesome. So ladies, you There you go. Lisa is willing to
speak with you. And sometimes you just need that live person to
pray with you or speak with you and she has a willing heart. And
that's the beauty of the women and women world leaders is we are
here for one another as God called us to be. So reach out as you
feel, lad. We hope to see you and we hope for you to become part of
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consent. Ladies, have a beautiful and blessed day. Remember, Don't
wallow, worship the Lord and see your life change. God bless
you.